Fri, 08 Aug 2008 When Vista sales aren't Vista sales

Russ said on Fri, 08 Aug 2008

What a shock! It just doesn't work!

Mathue said on Fri, 08 Aug 2008

Interesting. I was aware that this was happening but I wasn't aware of the sheer scale of it. Intriguing.

NB said on Fri, 08 Aug 2008

This is old news. Every corporate HP machine has come with XP since they introduced Vista.

It is not case of not working - it is a case that 90% of companies would need an massive desktop upgrade. If you had a company with 500 mac's on different hardware platforms and Apple says "here is Snow Leopard, some of your programs won't run on it and half your hardware won't work" of course you wouldn't buy it. Unless you were stupid.

Apple only have to build for their own hardware and still lots of programs didn't work when Leopard was released. No one said "It just doesn't work!"

Paul Meeks said on Fri, 08 Aug 2008

@NB
I don't agree. There were, and still are, plenty of people who insist on stating that everything Apple ever does is useless/incompatible/just doesn't work right. The simple fact that you seem to have missed here is that while Apple may eventually release an OS update that means some things won't be compatible - it happens to everyone at certain times of continued development - when you do finally come around to buying a new Mac you don't demand that the people you're buying it from either wipe it and replace it with an older version of the OS, or provide you with both so that you can downgrade later/choose simply not to upgrade.

Paul Meeks said on Fri, 08 Aug 2008

@NB (continued)
Apple may only build for their own hardware but, in my opinion, thats exactly why the Mac OS works so much better. Windows didn't work so well to start with - we all remember the far reaching incompatibilities of XP on launch and far beyond - but then they released Vista and managed to break it all the more! Its bloated, untrustworthy, incompatible and completely lacks almost everything that they, apparently, spent God alone knows how many years developing. Brilliant stuff...simply stunning!

NB said on Sat, 09 Aug 2008

I disagree. Mac OS is just as buggy and critical updates take a lot longer to get through. Love my mac but it is no better than my PC (on XP) - both crash and both companies claim to have invented the wheel every time they release another bloated OS.

WB said on Sat, 09 Aug 2008

@NB
I've worked with computers for over 20 years. All of the from DOS to Vista.

I purchased my first Mac in August 2007. I could not be happier than I am when I'm using my Mac.

I want to throw out all of my Windows hardware/software but, face it I can't do that being a computer support techician.

NB said on Sat, 09 Aug 2008

So have I, but Mac's still have (massive corporate & entertainment) limitations that mean that Windows wont go away. Like I said in my first post - when Apple release Snow Leopard and make lots of people upgrade and many bits of software stop working how many people will say "It just doesn't work!" because it is "bloated, untrustworthy, incompatible"?

James B said on Sat, 09 Aug 2008

@Paul Meeks

Windows does not lock in users to bloated prices. My Hackintosh works wonderful without the mental prices.

MMNW said on Sat, 09 Aug 2008

No news to me. I guess it's like that with other manufacturers. We get our computers from Dell. All our machines are Win XP. Though, I don't know how Dell counts the Licenses, cause we got some kind of a campus licence for XP. Usually the machines are not pre-installed and our in-house IT installs the OS.
I guess it's the same everywhere.

Zpok said on Mon, 11 Aug 2008

My last work place happily switched its macs to Leopard after 5 months, but will do another evaluation of Vista somewhere in 2009 earliest. All IT realities aside, this should tell you something. It sure did tell our IT department, who are more than ever looking for alternatives.

ZABAMAN said on Tue, 12 Aug 2008

You can't polish a turd.

Ken-not-the-Mayor said on Tue, 12 Aug 2008

I'm retired & live off flats. It took me half a minute to get a Mac tenant on-line to an Airport Extreme. Still struggling with the tenants with (ugh!) Vista. Nuff said.